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I make a point of warning visitors that there will be ads displayed to them, what type, how many, etc. And also telling them why the ads are here and why they should allow them to load and the possible risks and to disable third party cookies just in case. There's already a lot that has been said on whether adblocking is ethical or not. I've read through that post and comments and would like to add my 2 cents. Webmasters say: I offer a service. I don’t sell a product. The only way i can get compensated for it is by advertising. that is a view i have to agree to. It may be a cultural thing but i really can't see how blocking the source of revenue of the webmasters can be considered to be ethical. Users say: I pay for my internet access, it’s my computer, i should be able to decide what uses my bandwidth and gets displayed on my computer. I don’t want to see ads. yes. You should be able to decide what uses your bandwidth and gets displayed on your computer. But. That content still comes from my server. So i should be able to decided what get sent to your computer from my server. Well ok. Some of the ads are from third parties. But it's still included on a page generated on my server which is paid for by money generated by those same ads. Ads have become horribly annoying. They flash, move, jitter, pop up, pop under. I can’t focus on the actual content that i’m reading. while i agree that excessive advertising is extremely annoying. But getting distracted by shiny objects is a bit weak an argument. How distracting can an ad possibly be....? If you are completely hypnotised by moving objects i say you probably have a pathological condition... You see an ad displayed a few times, you may find it amusing or not, but after a while you should naturally get used to it and ignore it. People had already developed mental blocks against google ads long before anything like adblock was around. I really can't see what's so troublesome with banner ads. I don't use adblock/plus or any ad filter and the current day internet does not distract me unduly. Except some ads are actually quite good. Beautiful even. I mean, you have to salute their creativity. the internet should be free! Go hug a tree, you damn hippie! The internet has changed. It is a business and a serious one. About 2 decades ago, if you worked with computers, a lot of people would tell you to get a real job. But nowadays, we are actually trained and formed to work in internet related businesses. This is a real job. I'd say above that the adblocking is a cultural thing. I think the people who use ad filters don't think very far ahead. At least not beyond their personal benefit. The internet is not free. You pay for your bandwidth. And the internet advertising model allows you trade some of that bandwidth for 'free' or shall we say 'very very low cost' services. It is a fair exchange. Agreed there's a lot of crap and abuse out there. But don't you think it's about time you woke up and smelled the shit? (It's a pun, don't quote this) there are dangerous places and dangerous things on the web. It's one thing to browse intelligently and another to shoot at anything that moves (pre-emptive strike no jitsu!) on the presumption that it may be slightly dangerous. You can't compare ads in webpages to ads on tv or in newspapers either. Well actually you can. When you walk away from you television when the ads are showing, that does not mean you're removing them from the airwaves. They are still there. The tv stations still get their money. Same for magazines, you don't cut out the ads from the pages. If you did, you'd miss out on a lot. (I use display advertising btw. Awesome concept. You don't even have to click.. Much) I don't know how much sense i'm making. But yeah... Adblocking is just not polite from my perspective. Posted by Ketwaroo D. Yaasir at 04:16 | Comments (0) | Trackbacks (0) Trackbacks Trackback specific URI for this entry No Trackbacks Comments Display comments as (Linear | Threaded) No comments Add Comment [...] […] Be Nice to The Evils of the Internets I’ve recently become interested in ways to detect ad filtering and prevent users from accessing resource intensive services based on that. I am a webmaster meself. And i don’t use adblock/adblockplus when browsing. I do use it for debugging though. I have a website that offers ‘free’ downloads. Well ‘free’ because the user doesn’t have to fork out any actual cash. But the bandwidth consumed is paid for by ads. For that reason i have most of the advertisement, including a popunder concentrated in the download section. I make a point of warning visitors that there will be ads displayed to them, what type, how many, etc. And also telling them why the ads are here and why they should allow them to load and the possible risks and to disable third party cookies just in case. There’s already a lot that has been said on whether adblocking is ethical or not. I’ve read through that post and comments and would like to add my 2 cents. Webmasters say: I offer a service. I don’t sell a product. The only way i can get compensated for it is by advertising. that is a view i have to agree to. It may be a cultural thing but i really can’t see how blocking the source of revenue of the webmasters can be considered to be ethical. Users say: I pay for my internet access, it’s my computer, i should be able to decide what uses my bandwidth and gets displayed on my computer. I don’t want to see ads. yes. You should be able to decide what uses your bandwidth and gets displayed on your computer. But. That content still comes from my server. So i should be able to decided what get sent to your computer from my server. Well ok. Some of the ads are from third parties. But it’s still included on a page generated on my server which is paid for by money generated by those same ads. Ads have become horribly annoying. They flash, move, jitter, pop up, pop under. I can’t focus on the actual content that i’m reading. while i agree that excessive advertising is extremely annoying. But getting distracted by shiny objects is a bit weak an argument. How distracting can an ad possibly be….? If you are completely hypnotised by moving objects i say you probably have a pathological condition… You see an ad displayed a few times, you may find it amusing or not, but after a while you should naturally get used to it and ignore it. People had already developed mental blocks against google ads long before anything like adblock was around. I really can’t see what’s so troublesome with banner ads. I don’t use adblock/plus or any ad filter and the current day internet does not distract me unduly. Except some ads are actually quite good. Beautiful even. I mean, you have to salute their creativity. the internet should be free! Go hug a tree, you damn hippie! The internet has changed. It is a business and a serious one. About 2 decades ago, if you worked with computers, a lot of people would tell you to get a real job. But nowadays, we are actually trained and formed to work in internet related businesses. This is a real job. I’d say above that the adblocking is a cultural thing. I think the people who use ad filters don’t think very far ahead. At least not beyond their personal benefit. The internet is not free. You pay for your bandwidth. And the internet advertising model allows you trade some of that bandwidth for ‘free’ or shall we say ‘very very low cost’ services. It is a fair exchange. Agreed there’s a lot of crap and abuse out there. But don’t you think it’s about time you woke up and smelled the shit? (It’s a pun, don’t quote this) there are dangerous places and dangerous things on the web. It’s one thing to browse intelligently and another to shoot at anything that moves (pre-emptive strike no jitsu!) on the presumption that it may be slightly dangerous. You can’t compare ads in webpages to ads on tv or in newspapers either. Well actually you can. When you walk away from you television when the ads are showing, that does not mean you’re removing them from the airwaves. They are still there. The tv stations still get their money. Same for magazines, you don’t cut out the ads from the pages. If you did, you’d miss out on a lot. (I use display advertising btw. Awesome concept. You don’t even have to click.. Much) I don’t know how much sense i’m making. But yeah… Adblocking is just not polite from my perspective. Posted by Ketwaroo D. 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]]> by: alex cornivus http://www.adblock.org/2006/02/is-ad-blocking-ethical/#comment-9959 Fri, 08 Dec 2006 06:11:46 +0000 http://www.adblock.org/2006/02/is-ad-blocking-ethical/#comment-9959 I don't count blocking online ads as much of a sin, but I don't see how you could defend it. And, personally, I wouldn't want to the web currently makes a remarkable range of free resources available to you and me. I don’t count blocking online ads as much of a sin, but I don’t see how you could defend it. And, personally, I wouldn’t want to the web currently makes a remarkable range of free resources available to you and me.

]]> by: Sam http://www.adblock.org/2006/02/is-ad-blocking-ethical/#comment-7912 Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:25:01 +0000 http://www.adblock.org/2006/02/is-ad-blocking-ethical/#comment-7912 "I pay for my internet access, it’s my computer, I should be able to decide what uses my bandwidth and gets displayed on my computer. I don’t want to see ads." This I totally agree with. Whatever the view of the webmaster or advertiser, I pay for x amount of bandwidth each month and dont want to waste any of it on unsolicited advertising for products I will likely never purchase. “I pay for my internet access, it’s my computer, I should be able to decide what uses my bandwidth and gets displayed on my computer. I don’t want to see ads.”

This I totally agree with. Whatever the view of the webmaster or advertiser, I pay for x amount of bandwidth each month and dont want to waste any of it on unsolicited advertising for products I will likely never purchase.

]]> by: PrejudicedOne http://www.adblock.org/2006/02/is-ad-blocking-ethical/#comment-7840 Fri, 17 Nov 2006 23:36:37 +0000 http://www.adblock.org/2006/02/is-ad-blocking-ethical/#comment-7840 IMO even if all the "bad" ads disappear right now people will not regain trust for the good ones for years. Too much damage is done, too many people don't realise that ads pay for free Internet. In this discussion on ethics - adblocks are a form of self defense. Defend our time, browsing experience, data - ethics come in only after those are secured. IMO even if all the “bad” ads disappear right now people will not regain trust for the good ones for years. Too much damage is done, too many people don’t realise that ads pay for free Internet. In this discussion on ethics - adblocks are a form of self defense. Defend our time, browsing experience, data - ethics come in only after those are secured.

]]> by: PrejudicedOne http://www.adblock.org/2006/02/is-ad-blocking-ethical/#comment-7837 Fri, 17 Nov 2006 23:35:20 +0000 http://www.adblock.org/2006/02/is-ad-blocking-ethical/#comment-7837 GOOGLE it up n00b... Internet is your friend when it comes to getting information. But now I use Firefox and enter everything i am googling into it's quick search - almost all the pages I open contain ads and I can't see the info I'm searching right away. So I let firefox find me again what I entered in google. Ads no doubt obstruct browsing experience and actually today they do it less than some 6 years ago (IMHO). I work at a company that is a reseller of software that blocks ads and spam at a corporate gateway level. Nice stuff: white lists black lists heuristic scans content filtering. And I think that this is how it will remain in the future - ad blocking software will not back down from it's current level of intrusion into users' browsing experience. Because users on the most part will remain in the dark that this software cuts some potentially useful information for them (when we advertise our software we never mention that this risk is a possibility - only that white lists exist and what they are for). And they will gladly pay money for the service that this software provides: "safe" browsing. Because time is money - and ads consume time and can potentially lead to spyware and viruses on your computer that might render your PC inoperable - even more time! So we sell the whole solution: one sw for viruses, one for ads, one for spam, one for spyware and if all that fails and your PC went permanently down then our other software will reinstall your OS in minutes register within our network and other sw will take all your personal backuped data from a safe storage and put it back to your PC - in just 10 minutes you are working again. All that we call a security suite - and that costs a lot and consumes quite a bit of PC resources but people are happy with it and pay it's cost. People will not care more for poor webmasters than for them selfs and will pay money to block ads than pay money for those ads to disappear because in that case hey are the ones that are reaping the benefits - it's a feeling of money spent not in vain. Also from my experience: on windows 98 without ad blocking system you could encounter a popup that would open IE in full screen mode without a close button or upto infinity of new windows from just clicking on an ad. Win 98 were long ago but even today if I encounter an ad that is relevant for my interests I will not click it subconsciously. The fart button is probably the best example of my phobia - it is the most compelling ad to click at. Maybe some psychologists were involved in the creation of that ad. Whenever I see it I want to push it: a big bright red button (that is the brightest thing in the ad) an George Bush under it - with his rating no wonder he is in there. But I never clicked that ad or any other lately. Because from the beginning of my browsing experience 10 years ago I have created such a prejudice about ads: they will interfere with your browsing, if you click them you run a risk of corrupting your OS. So even if I see an ad that is relevant to my interests I will not click it but instead google everything it promises. I am not the only one that thinks this way - every customer that uses Internet and whom we presented our software agreed that browsing is not safe. You don't need to browse p0rn sites to get spyware and viruses onto your computer. That is the truth that everyone knows of. Even old people who barely know how to use a PC know that because maybe at some point their PC was down and as they called in an' admin who said: "You've got a virus", "From where?", "From Internet", "What was I doing wrong?", "You probably clicked on an malicious ad" GOOGLE it up n00b… Internet is your friend when it comes to getting information. But now I use Firefox and enter everything i am googling into it’s quick search - almost all the pages I open contain ads and I can’t see the info I’m searching right away. So I let firefox find me again what I entered in google. Ads no doubt obstruct browsing experience and actually today they do it less than some 6 years ago (IMHO). I work at a company that is a reseller of software that blocks ads and spam at a corporate gateway level. Nice stuff: white lists black lists heuristic scans content filtering. And I think that this is how it will remain in the future - ad blocking software will not back down from it’s current level of intrusion into users’ browsing experience. Because users on the most part will remain in the dark that this software cuts some potentially useful information for them (when we advertise our software we never mention that this risk is a possibility - only that white lists exist and what they are for). And they will gladly pay money for the service that this software provides: “safe” browsing. Because time is money - and ads consume time and can potentially lead to spyware and viruses on your computer that might render your PC inoperable - even more time! So we sell the whole solution: one sw for viruses, one for ads, one for spam, one for spyware and if all that fails and your PC went permanently down then our other software will reinstall your OS in minutes register within our network and other sw will take all your personal backuped data from a safe storage and put it back to your PC - in just 10 minutes you are working again. All that we call a security suite - and that costs a lot and consumes quite a bit of PC resources but people are happy with it and pay it’s cost. People will not care more for poor webmasters than for them selfs and will pay money to block ads than pay money for those ads to disappear because in that case hey are the ones that are reaping the benefits - it’s a feeling of money spent not in vain.

Also from my experience: on windows 98 without ad blocking system you could encounter a popup that would open IE in full screen mode without a close button or upto infinity of new windows from just clicking on an ad. Win 98 were long ago but even today if I encounter an ad that is relevant for my interests I will not click it subconsciously. The fart button is probably the best example of my phobia - it is the most compelling ad to click at. Maybe some psychologists were involved in the creation of that ad. Whenever I see it I want to push it: a big bright red button (that is the brightest thing in the ad) an George Bush under it - with his rating no wonder he is in there. But I never clicked that ad or any other lately. Because from the beginning of my browsing experience 10 years ago I have created such a prejudice about ads: they will interfere with your browsing, if you click them you run a risk of corrupting your OS. So even if I see an ad that is relevant to my interests I will not click it but instead google everything it promises.
I am not the only one that thinks this way - every customer that uses Internet and whom we presented our software agreed that browsing is not safe. You don’t need to browse p0rn sites to get spyware and viruses onto your computer. That is the truth that everyone knows of. Even old people who barely know how to use a PC know that because maybe at some point their PC was down and as they called in an’ admin who said: “You’ve got a virus”, “From where?”, “From Internet”, “What was I doing wrong?”, “You probably clicked on an malicious ad”

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